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08:04:13 AM Presentation: Alaska State Board of Education and Early Development
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Board of Education and Early Development
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
                         JOINT MEETING                                                                                        
              SENATE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 18, 2011                                                                                         
                           8:02 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 Senator Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
 Senator Joe Thomas, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
 Senator Bettye Davis, Vice Chair                                                                                               
 Senator Hollis French                                                                                                          
 Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Lance Pruitt, Vice Chair                                                                                        
 Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                      
 Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                     
 Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                    
 Representative Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
 All members present                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
 Representative Alan Dick, Chair                                                                                                
 Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: ALASKA STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION AND EARLY                                                                         
DEVELOPMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ESTHER COX, Chair                                                                                                               
Alaska State Board of Education and Early Development                                                                           
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Reviewed the role  of the board  and various                                                             
topics  at issue  including the  implication of  funding cuts  to                                                               
DEED  and the  continuation  of  the high  school  exit exam  and                                                               
answered  questions  from  the  committee  regarding  the  Alaska                                                               
Performance Scholarship program and  the process of selecting the                                                               
current commissioner of education.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
GERALDINE BENSHOOF, First Vice-Chair                                                                                            
Public/Fourth Judicial District                                                                                                 
Alaska State Board of Education and Early Development                                                                           
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
North Pole, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Answered  questions  from   the  committee                                                             
regarding the state's pilot prekindergarten program.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
BUNNY SCHAEFFER, Member                                                                                                         
Second Judicial District                                                                                                        
Alaska State Board of Education and Early Development                                                                           
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
Kotzebue, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Answered  questions  from   the  committee                                                             
regarding  the Alaska  Performance  Scholarship  program and  the                                                               
effectiveness of distance delivery  options for rural schools and                                                               
districts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DONALD HANDELAND, Student Representative                                                                                        
Alaska State Board of Education and Early Development                                                                           
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
Nome, Alaska                                                                                                                    
POSITION   STATEMENT:  Answered   questions   of  the   committee                                                             
regarding  his  education  at  Mt.   Edgecombe  High  School  and                                                               
distance education.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
TIARNA FICHLER, Incoming Student Representative                                                                                 
Alaska State Board of Education and Early Development                                                                           
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
Manokotak, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:  Answered   questions   of  the   committee                                                             
regarding distance education.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK SHIER, Member                                                                                                           
First Judicial District                                                                                                         
Alaska State Board of Education and Early Development                                                                           
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced himself  and gave an  overview of                                                             
the board's perspective on alternative delivery methods.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:02:58 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR KEVIN MEYER  called the joint meeting of  the Senate and                                                             
House  Education  Standing  Committees  to  order  at  8:02  a.m.                                                               
Present  at  the  call  to order  were  Senators  Davis,  French,                                                               
Stevens, Co-Chair  Thomas and Co-Chair Meyer  and Representatives                                                               
Seaton, Kawasaki, Feige, P. Wilson and Vice-Chair Pruitt.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR PRUITT  noted that Chair Dick is at  the Tanana Chiefs                                                               
Conference and Representative Cissna has also been excused.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
^Presentation:  Alaska   State  Board  of  Education   and  Early                                                               
Development                                                                                                                     
    PRESENTATION: ALASKA STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION AND EARLY                                                                 
                          DEVELOPMENT                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
8:04:13 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR MEYER announced  that the order of business  would be to                                                               
hear a  presentation by the  Alaska State Board of  Education and                                                               
Early Development.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He noted the presence of Commissioner Mike Hanley.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:04:38 AM                                                                                                                    
ESTHER  COX, Chair,  Alaska State  Board of  Education and  Early                                                               
Development,  Department  of   Education  and  Early  Development                                                               
(DEED, said the  board meets in Juneau in March  in order to have                                                               
the opportunity to  interact with the Senate  and House Education                                                               
Standing Committees.  She reminded the committee  that the Alaska                                                               
State Board  of Education  and Early  Development is  a voluntary                                                               
board appointed  by the  governor. A  full term  for a  member is                                                               
five years and no  more than four members of the  board can be of                                                               
the same  political party as  the governor. She noted  that there                                                               
should  be one  member  representing each  of  the four  judicial                                                               
districts in the  state of Alaska and at least  one member should                                                               
come  from  a REAA  [Regional  Education  Attendance Areas].  She                                                               
noted that the  board also has two advisory  board members. There                                                               
is  one  student  representative,  in  addition  to  an  incoming                                                               
student representative  or "student  in waiting." The  board also                                                               
has a  military advisor, Colonel  Grant Sullivan. She  noted that                                                               
Senator Davis has served on the board with distinction.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:09:18 AM                                                                                                                    
She  asked the  board  members to  introduce  themselves and  the                                                               
districts they represent:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   · Patrick Shier:  First Judicial District                                                                                    
   · Geraldine Benshoof: Fourth Judicial District                                                                               
   · Bunny Schaeffer: Second Judicial District                                                                                  
   · Jim Merriner: Public-at-large                                                                                              
   · Donald Handeland: Student Representative                                                                                   
   · Phillip Schneider: Third Judicial District                                                                                 
   · Tiarna Fischler: Incoming Student Representative                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. COX  noted that Janel Keplinger  [representing the public-at-                                                               
large] was unable to attend the committee meeting.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She  continued  that it  was  startling  to understand  that  the                                                               
Department  of Education  and Early  Development (DEED)  had been                                                               
cut  $4  million  this  year. She  explained  that  this  funding                                                               
decrease  means  the cut  of  a  couple  of programs:  the  pre-K                                                               
program  and the  Teacher  Mentor Program.  She  opined that  the                                                               
Teacher Mentor  Program has  done amazing things,  with 68  to 80                                                               
percent of teachers  who were mentored in  this program retained.                                                               
She noted  that, statistics show  that between  seasoned teachers                                                               
and  new teachers,  seasoned teachers'  students score  20 to  30                                                               
percent higher than new teachers'  student. The exception to this                                                               
is  if a  new teacher  has been  mentored. This  proves that  the                                                               
Teacher Mentor Program is working.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:13:03 AM                                                                                                                    
MS.  COX  added  that  the  Department  of  Labor  and  Workforce                                                               
Development (DOLWD) has  had a $1 million cut  which goes towards                                                               
career technology.  She said  that there is  currently a  bill on                                                               
the table  regarding the increase  in compulsory school  age from                                                               
16 to 18 years  old [SB 9]. She said that  there are arguments on                                                               
both  sides of  this  issue;  however, it  is  important to  have                                                               
alternative  options  other  than   just  the  standard  delivery                                                               
option. She said one of  the best alternative options is hands-on                                                               
career  education.  She explained  that  this  keeps students  in                                                               
school who  may want to drop  out in order to  get this "hands-on                                                               
experience."  She noted  that the  board's  Career and  Technical                                                               
Education Plan,  which came  directly out  of the  board's summit                                                               
for  the  Alaska Education  Plan,  is  in  the process  of  being                                                               
implemented and also carries a fiscal note.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She said  that the board has  included for the committees  a list                                                               
of topics that it has discussed  this year and are ready to speak                                                               
to any of the topics the committees would like to address.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COX said  the high  school  exit exam  is an  accountability                                                               
factor  and the  board is  not willing  to give  that factor  up.                                                               
However, she  explained that  the board  recognizes the  need for                                                               
some  revitalization  of  the  exam and  standards  and  will  be                                                               
revisiting  and redesigning  Alaska's standards  immediately. She                                                               
explained that the  board has not adopted  the national standards                                                               
because  it  is  using  Alaska's standards.  The  board  will  be                                                               
looking into a  number of subjects at its  June meeting involving                                                               
these  standards  and will  then  come  to the  legislature  with                                                               
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:19:40 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  MEYER noted  that  Ms. Cox  served  on the  scholarship                                                               
funding task  force over the last  interim. He said with  30 days                                                               
left  in the  session  the  legislature will  have  to make  some                                                               
decisions on  the Alaska  Performance Scholarship  [APS] program.                                                               
He asked if Ms. Cox has  any comments to share with the committee                                                               
on the program.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. COX referred the committee to  a resolution from the Board of                                                               
Education   which  supported   the   APS   being  a   merit-based                                                               
scholarship. She  recognized that the House  and Senate Education                                                               
committees were  struggling with  the needs-based  component. She                                                               
said that when she was on  the task force committee she had hoped                                                               
that   the  needs-based   component   would   file  through   the                                                               
AlaskAdvantage  program  and  the merit-based  scholarship  would                                                               
remain separate. She said that  the way she views the merit-based                                                               
scholarship  is  that  every  student  can  do  it,  because  all                                                               
students  start at  the  same  point. She  stressed  that she  is                                                               
confident  that  this will  place  more  rigor into  high  school                                                               
curriculums.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER said that the  Senate Education Standing Committee                                                               
passed  out the  APS  program leaving  the merit-based  component                                                               
intact;  but  also  including  a component  that  would  allow  a                                                               
certain percentage  of the  funding to  go to  the AlaskAdvantage                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He said that there has been  a lot of discussion on various pre-K                                                               
programs. There has  also been a lot of discussion  on an academy                                                               
for  students  after  they  graduate in  order  to  avoid  taking                                                               
remedial  classes in  college. He  said that  he recognizes  that                                                               
these  two  topics are  intertwined.  He  asked  if she  has  any                                                               
comments on this.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:23:45 AM                                                                                                                    
GERALDINE  BENSHOOF,  First  Vice-Chair,  Public/Fourth  Judicial                                                               
District, Alaska State Board of  Education and Early Development,                                                               
Department of  Education and Early Development  (DEED), said that                                                               
the board feels  the pilot pre-K program should  continue and one                                                               
year of data is not efficient in  order to make a decision on it.                                                               
She said  that a pilot program  is meant to get  concrete data in                                                               
order  to know  what  a good  program should  be  and whether  it                                                               
should continue.  She noted that  the board was pleased  with the                                                               
data it  received from the  first year  of the program.  She said                                                               
that she  recognizes that  funding is in  question for  the pre-K                                                               
pilot  program this  year and  the board  would like  to see  the                                                               
funding continue.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
She recognized  that there  are many  individuals in  Alaska that                                                               
see  this program  as something  that will  become universal.  At                                                               
some  point the  legislature  will  have to  make  a decision  on                                                               
whether this will occur and will  need to recognize that doing so                                                               
will be costly.  She noted that the pre-K pilot  program was on a                                                               
grant basis.  Many of  the pre-K pilots  were run  in conjunction                                                               
with  Head Start  programs  and this  funding  helped expand  the                                                               
number of children  that were in the program. She  noted that the                                                               
data  from the  first  year  of the  program  is  in the  board's                                                               
packet.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:27:04 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  said he  had read  that some  individuals believe                                                               
that the services provided through  the pilot were duplicative to                                                               
what  Head Start  is  already doing.  He  asked for  confirmation                                                               
that, in her view, the pilot  program differs in what it has been                                                               
doing.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. BENSHOOF  replied that in  her understanding the  program was                                                               
expanded from the Head Start program.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON said  one of  the grant  programs for  the                                                               
pilot pre-K  program was home  school based.  He asked if  she is                                                               
familiar with this particular set of data.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. BENSHOOF  replied that the  programs were  evaluated, however                                                               
with regard to  what exactly each program was like  she could not                                                               
comment.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:28:49 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS said  he appreciates  Senator  Davis' bill  that                                                               
establishes better communication with the  board [SB 1]. He noted                                                               
that  he  has  the  greatest  respect  for  Commissioner  Hanley.                                                               
However,  the commissioner  of the  Department  of Education  and                                                               
Early Development is  the only one that the  legislature does not                                                               
confirm.  The process  of selecting  a commissioner  is extremely                                                               
important to the legislature and  there were questions that arose                                                               
as  to  how the  current  commissioner  of  DEED was  chosen.  He                                                               
explained that his  understanding of the rules is  that the board                                                               
selects several names  that are sent to the governor  for a final                                                               
selection. He  said that he is  not sure that this  happened this                                                               
time. He asked  what the rules are under which  the board and the                                                               
governor  select  the commissioner  and  how  this happened  this                                                               
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. COX  replied that the  statute is fairly specific.  The board                                                               
selects and sends a name to  the governor's office, which is then                                                               
approved by the governor. She  explained that, in this particular                                                               
instance, she had  a conversation with the  governor's office who                                                               
gave her a name, which she  took to the board. She explained that                                                               
the board examined  the resume and interviewed  the candidate and                                                               
she did not  make up or assign questions for  the board to direct                                                               
towards the candidate.  After the interview the  board could have                                                               
done one of  two things: send the name to  the governor or screen                                                               
and  interview  alternative  candidates  if  the  board  did  not                                                               
believe  that  individual could  represent  the  students in  the                                                               
state. She explained  that after the board's  interview with Mike                                                               
Hanley  the  board  came  to  the  conclusion  that  he  had  the                                                               
characteristics,  people   and  communication  skills,   and  the                                                               
administrative  background  to  be   commissioner  of  DEED.  She                                                               
recognized that this is a  different process than the legislature                                                               
normally goes through.  She asked if there is  another board that                                                               
selects a commissioner.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  replied that the  Department of Fish  and Game's                                                               
board  does select  the commissioner.  However, that  legislature                                                               
reviews and confirms the commissioner.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COX said  "the  bottom  line is  the  governor  is still  in                                                               
charge; because  the governor can  accept or turn down  that name                                                               
and the  board then  has to  go back to  the drawing  board." She                                                               
noted that this has happened in the past.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  stressed that he  means no disrespect  to anyone                                                               
in  the process.  However, this  is  such an  important issue  to                                                               
Alaska  and education.  He asked  if  she is  convinced that  the                                                               
independence of the Board of Education was respected.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. COX replied yes; the board  still had the option to say "yes"                                                               
or  "no."   She  noted  that,   in  her  opinion,  the   way  the                                                               
commissioner  of  education  is  chosen is  a  different  system.                                                               
However, the  system does work and  it is a respect  to the board                                                               
to  have them  involved in  choosing the  commissioner. She  said                                                               
that  the statute  states  that the  commissioner  serves at  the                                                               
pleasure of the board.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS said he appreciates her explanation.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS  asked for  confirmation that Ms.  Cox went  to the                                                               
governor who gave her a name,  which she then brought back to the                                                               
board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. COX replied that she did  not go the governor; the governor's                                                               
office contacted her.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  DAVIS asked  for confirmation  that  she did  go to  the                                                               
governor to get the name.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. COX reiterated  that the governor's office  contacted her and                                                               
gave her a name.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS  asked if  this is the  standard procedure  for the                                                               
board when looking for a candidate.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COX replied  that she  has been  a part  of selecting  three                                                               
commissioners and  each time  has been  different. She  said with                                                               
the first governor,  there was no communication.  With the second                                                               
governor  it was  a  very long  and  involved process,  involving                                                               
several different  names. She  noted that  there has  always been                                                               
communication   between  the   existing   commissioner  and   the                                                               
governor's office.  She explained  that the  board wants  to make                                                               
sure that the commissioner is  someone that the governor can work                                                               
with.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:38:21 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DAVIS asked  for  confirmation that  the  board did  not                                                               
interview anyone else for the commissioner's job.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. COX replied yes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DAVIS commented that the  statute clearly states that the                                                               
Board  of   Education  has  the  responsibility   to  select  and                                                               
interview   candidates  for   this   position.   She  asked   for                                                               
confirmation that this is the board's role.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COX  replied  yes.  She  noted that  she  checked  with  the                                                               
attorney general's office  to make sure that the  board was doing                                                               
everything according to the statute.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS said  he appreciates Ms. Cox's  years of service.                                                               
He  asked   if  she  feels   the  obligation  to   discharge  the                                                               
commissioner if they  are not performing in a way  that the board                                                               
feels is right.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. COX answered  that, according to the statute,  the board does                                                               
have that right.  She noted that she has thought  about that when                                                               
selecting and  choosing a candidate  so that issue will  not have                                                               
to  come up  later. She  said that  if the  issue did  arise, the                                                               
board would go forth with its obligation.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said that the committees'  concern is with                                                               
the process.  The statute  is written in  order take  politics as                                                               
far away  from education as  possible. The concern from  a number                                                               
of members of  the House Education Standing  Committee is whether                                                               
the board  is setting  a precedent that  allows the  governor the                                                               
ability  to  select the  commissioner  of  DEED rather  than  the                                                               
board. He said that the legislature has  gone as far as it can to                                                               
insulate education from politics. He  added that he believes this                                                               
is one of  the reasons why this position is  not confirmable. The                                                               
substitution for this  is that the board  interviews and forwards                                                               
names, rather  than have it  be a political request  or decision.                                                               
He  said he  wanted  to  express concern  for  the process  going                                                               
forward in the future.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COX replied  that  she understands  wanting  to divorce  the                                                               
selection of the commissioner from  politics as much as possible.                                                               
She reminded the committee that  the board has had names rejected                                                               
in the  past. She stressed  that the board  does the work  as the                                                               
statute states, but the final approval is from the governor.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  noted that the  committees may want to  visit the                                                               
statute at another time.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:43:45 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  asked what the  board's stance is  on counseling                                                               
and  advising in  high school  and how  districts are  addressing                                                               
this issue.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. COX  replied that the  board has not  taken a stance  on this                                                               
issue. She  noted that she  is delighted to  see that there  is a                                                               
provision  in the  scholarship bill  on counseling  and advising.                                                               
She  continued  that there  are  three  basic tenets  for  middle                                                               
schools: intramural  sports, teaming, and advisory  programs. She                                                               
said that incorporating  all three of these tenets  is a training                                                               
and professional growth  issue for teachers. Many  of the state's                                                               
high schools have moved to  smaller learning communities to allow                                                               
for   more  personalized   interactions   between  teachers   and                                                               
students. She  said that this  is much easier and  more malleable                                                               
at a middle school age, rather than high school.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:47:41 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  asked if the board  were to take this  issue up,                                                               
whether advising would  arise as something that  should be taught                                                               
during  teacher  preparedness  education  at  the  University  of                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COX replied  that how  to deal  with small  groups of  young                                                               
people is  an excellent suggestion.  She noted that  as president                                                               
of the National Association of  Secondary School Principals, they                                                               
wrote  a treatise  called Breaking  Ranks:  Changing an  American                                                               
Institution.  She explained  that  one of  the  concepts in  that                                                               
treatise was  that education needs  to be personalized.  She said                                                               
that part of the reason  that alternative programs are successful                                                               
with  young people  is because  there are  fewer students  in the                                                               
program and  they get  closer to  an adult.  She agreed  that the                                                               
board should be talking about this.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER said  one concern  that he  has about  the Senate                                                               
Education Standing  Committee is that  all of the  members namely                                                               
represent urban  areas. He  noted that there  is a  rural student                                                               
representative on the  board, in addition to  a committee member.                                                               
He  asked for  feedback  on how  the rural  areas  can be  better                                                               
reached  with regard  to long-distance  learning and  getting all                                                               
schools  up-to-speed  with the  high  standards  set by  the  APS                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COX   replied  that  Kotzebue,   Nome,  and   Manokotak  are                                                               
represented on the board.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:50:58 AM                                                                                                                    
BUNNY SCHAEFFER,  Member, Second Judicial District,  Alaska State                                                               
Board  of   Education  and   Early  Development,   Department  of                                                               
Education and Early Development  (DEED), replied that the Virtual                                                               
School Network  currently being  developed includes  11 networks,                                                               
which  is  being  led  by   SERRC  [Southeast  Regional  Resource                                                               
Center]. She opined that the most  effective way to learn is with                                                               
direct  contact   with  a  highly  qualified   teacher.  Distance                                                               
delivery should  not be  the end-all  to the  scholarship program                                                               
and more work is needed.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:52:40 AM                                                                                                                    
DONALD  HANDELAND,   Student  Advisor,  Alaska  State   Board  of                                                               
Education  and Early  Development,  Department  of Education  and                                                               
Early  Development (DEED),  said  he attends  Mt. Edgecombe  High                                                               
School, which is  a boarding school that includes a  lot of rural                                                               
students. He  noted that  this boarding school  is an  example of                                                               
students who want to get a  different kind of education. The best                                                               
way to  reach rural students  is through distance  education, but                                                               
it needs  to be  integrated with  educated individuals  coming to                                                               
the villages to work with students.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:53:39 AM                                                                                                                    
TIARNA  FISCHLER, Incoming  Student Representative,  Alaska State                                                               
Board  of   Education  and   Early  Development,   Department  of                                                               
Education and  Early Development (DEED),  said that she  does not                                                               
have a lot of experience  with distance-delivery programs and she                                                               
agrees  with  Ms. Schaeffer  on  the  importance of  face-to-face                                                               
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  asked whether  the legislature  should                                                               
wait on the Alaska Performance  Scholarship program until "things                                                               
are set up better."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHAEFFER replied,  in her  opinion, it  is a  disservice to                                                               
rural  students  if  the  system  is not  set  up  to  offer  the                                                               
necessary classes in order for  rural students to be eligible for                                                               
the program.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  P.   WILSON  asked  for  confirmation   that  the                                                               
legislature  should wait  on the  scholarship  program until  the                                                               
system has been set up to accommodate all students.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHAEFFER  replied yes;  in  order  for  the program  to  be                                                               
successful for all students.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS  noted  that  this  is  a  serious  comment.  He                                                               
explained that  his understanding was that  the individual aiding                                                               
the student with a distance  delivered class would be a teacher's                                                               
aide. He  noted that  in the Joint  Higher Education  Task Force,                                                               
the   NEA  [National   Education  Association]   representative's                                                               
expectation was that  there would be a qualified  teacher on both                                                               
ends. This  becomes enormously expensive.  He asked,  with regard                                                               
to distance  education, if  there is  a highly  qualified teacher                                                               
delivering a  course from a  centralized location, who  should be                                                               
helping the student on the other end.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHAEFFER replied that in  order for distance education to be                                                               
successful it  is important  to have a  certified teacher  on the                                                               
student's  end. She  explained that  instructional  aides do  not                                                               
have the educational background that a certified teacher has.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
She said  that the other  area of concern is  on the SAT  and ACT                                                               
testing  requirements.  In  urban  areas there  are  centers  for                                                               
training and test preparation, which rural students do not have.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS   said  he  respects   what  she  and   the  NEA                                                               
representative have  said. He explained  that having  a certified                                                               
teacher  on  both  ends  for   a  distance  education  course  is                                                               
enormously expensive.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:57:37 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR THOMAS said  he shares Ms. Schaeffer's  concerns on this                                                               
issue.  He  said  "if  we   seek  perfection  we  will  never  do                                                               
anything." He  noted that recently a  regional corporation leader                                                               
indicated that  schools such as  Mt. Edgecombe may be  an interim                                                               
solution.  He asked  Mr.  Handeland  if this  has  been a  better                                                               
education for  him in  comparison to where  he initially  went to                                                               
school.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANDELAND replied  that most of the students  that attend Mt.                                                               
Edgecombe High  School enjoy it,  because they have to  apply for                                                               
the  school  and  it  gives   students  more  responsibility.  He                                                               
explained that  those who go  to Mt.  Edgecombe want to  be there                                                               
and this  is a large reason  why this high school  is successful.                                                               
He noted  that Mt.  Edgecombe offers  many opportunities  that he                                                               
would never have received in his home community.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH asked  the student  representatives if  they have                                                               
had any experiences with distance delivery.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HANDELAND replied no.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. FISCHLER replied no.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH commented  that at  a previous  committee meeting                                                               
the committee  had asked DEED  for a  list of schools  who either                                                               
offered  the  full  curriculum   necessary  for  the  scholarship                                                               
program  or  provided  broadband   access  in  order  to  receive                                                               
distance delivery courses.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER replied  that there should be a  list available of                                                               
all the schools and includes this information.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:02:05 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE said  he understands  why  the union  would                                                               
want to  have a highly qualified  teacher on both ends.  He asked                                                               
if there  is a need  to have a  highly qualified teacher  in that                                                               
particular  subject present  or  could  it be  a  teacher in  any                                                               
subject to assist with the teaching.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHAEFFER replied, in her  opinion, the teacher wouldn't have                                                               
to be qualified in that particular subject.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  asked why an  aide would not  be sufficient                                                               
in assisting a student with a distance education class.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHAEFFER  replied that, in  her district, most of  the aides                                                               
are in  the elementary level, not  high school. She said  that as                                                               
far as  being able to  assist students,  she has seen  some poor-                                                               
quality  instructional aides.  She  said  "if I  was  a parent  I                                                               
wouldn't   want  them   being  responsible   for  my   children's                                                               
education."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   SEATON  said   the   House  Education   Standing                                                               
Committee has  had a superintendent  from different areas  of the                                                               
state speak  during the first  part of the  committee's meetings.                                                               
He  noted  that  it  was   interesting  to  discover  that  urban                                                               
districts  are identifying  the importance  of students  taking a                                                               
distance delivered  course as a  tool for future  preparation and                                                               
community involvement.  He questioned why rural  areas would deny                                                               
that if this is something that  the urban districts are saying is                                                               
vital to  learning. He asked  whether the board has  been looking                                                               
into  theme-based  and  project-based  education  as  opposed  to                                                               
single class subjects.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  SCHAEFFER replied  no. Typically  the board  does not  delve                                                               
that deep  into the  school systems in  regards to  the different                                                               
types of curriculums offered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:08:16 AM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  P. WILSON  asked  whether the  board has  thought                                                               
ahead of  ways to make education  more relevant to children  in a                                                               
way  that doesn't  necessarily  cost money.  She  noted that  the                                                               
changes  and results  that some  schools have  seen don't  always                                                               
cost money, such as theme-based and project-based education.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER  commented  that, overall,  the  committee  would                                                               
welcome  any  creative  ideas that  are  working  for  particular                                                               
schools and districts.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. SCHAEFFER replied  that the board has  developed, through the                                                               
Education Summit,  the Alaska Education Plan.  This plan includes                                                               
working groups, which try to  develop these types of ideas within                                                               
particular  areas  (such  as  graduation,  early  childhood,  and                                                               
literacy). She noted  that curriculum is adopted  by local school                                                               
boards;  the  state  board  does   not  come  up  with  what  the                                                               
curriculum must be for the entire state.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  noted that the  committee would love to  hear the                                                               
board's ideas and thoughts later on as well.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:15:23 AM                                                                                                                    
PATRICK  SHIER, Member,  First  Judicial  District, Alaska  State                                                               
Board  of   Education  and   Early  Development,   Department  of                                                               
Education and Early  Development (DEED), noted that  the board is                                                               
attempting to challenge the traditional  delivery method. He said                                                               
that  Dr.  Bryan Ray  of  the  National Home  Educators  Research                                                               
Institute  published  a pamphlet  titled  Home  Education on  the                                                               
Threshold.  This research  shows that  if a  child is  outside of                                                               
school,  teacher  certification  and   economic  factors  do  not                                                               
correlate  with  student  success.  DEED is  very  interested  in                                                               
achievement based  matriculation, however,  No Child  Left Behind                                                               
has "sucked  up all  the oxygen"  for many  years. He  noted that                                                               
DEED  has been  working to  improve alternative  delivery methods                                                               
and is  trying to help  districts who are doing  different things                                                               
to  meet  the needs  of  its  students.  The board  is  examining                                                               
alternative   delivery   and    evaluation   methods,   improving                                                               
graduation  rates,  teacher  quality,   and  the  teacher  mentor                                                               
program. He  noted that  the state is  hiring 1,000  new teachers                                                               
per year, many of which are  not from Alaska. He recommended that                                                               
the committee  view the UTube  video, Did you know  4.0, produced                                                               
by ShiftHappens.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:22:12 AM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   MEYER   encouraged   the  board   to   continue   this                                                               
communication.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:22:47 AM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Co-Chair Meyer adjourned the meeting at 9:22 a.m.                                                                               

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Board of Ed 1.pdf SEDC 3/18/2011 8:00:00 AM
Board of Ed 2.pdf SEDC 3/18/2011 8:00:00 AM
Board of Ed 3.pdf SEDC 3/18/2011 8:00:00 AM
01-2009.pdf SEDC 3/18/2011 8:00:00 AM
01-2010.pdf SEDC 3/18/2011 8:00:00 AM
03-2010.pdf SEDC 3/18/2011 8:00:00 AM
bylaws.pdf SEDC 3/18/2011 8:00:00 AM
01-2007.pdf SEDC 3/18/2011 8:00:00 AM